Well, the blatant censorship and childish behavior of some of the ops and regulars on the semi-official Wikipedia IRC channels continue, like a cheap horror franchise that just doesn’t know when it’s past its prime.
I think the real disappointment here is that we’ve all seen this flick before. A group of teenagers come to what they believe is a secluded place where they can party, only to find out that they aren’t alone. There’s a slight twist in this script, however: I’m no monster. In fact, I’m no threat to them at all. I’m just another person who would like to be treated fairly. That leaves the question of whether these kids are going to figure out what the real monster is by the end of the story.
[12:38pm]Chess:you’re an op?
[12:42pm]Chess:hey wllm do you want a pizza
[12:42pm]Chess:with xxxtra pepperoni?
[12:42pm]Chess:extra sausage if u know what I mean bae
[12:44pm]Chess:denza242: he public logged in #wikipedia and #wikipedia-en and he’s banned from both now
[12:45pm]wllm:Yes, please take a look at those logs.
[12:45pm]wllm:Chess had some very interesting things to say.
[12:45pm]denza242:wllm: can i see
[12:45pm]Chess:yeah sure bae
[12:46pm]Chess:I can link its pretty funny
[12:46pm]Chess:I’m an internet famemoose now
[12:47pm]wllm:Yeah, Chess, you have a lot to be proud of.
[12:47pm]wllm:But those are your own words.
[12:48pm]wllm:So, I’m glad to see that you’re proud to see your name next to them.
[12:50pm]denza242:Chess: idoh is in there but not here
[12:53pm]Chess:boom chikka bow eow
[12:54pm]denza242:bumm13: can you summon idoh
[12:56pm]Chess:bumm13 is an OP right
[12:57pm]wllm:Well, kicked from #wikimedia-ops.
[12:57pm]slakr joined the chat room.
[12:57pm]wllm:Hey, look, it’s the person who did the honors!
Let me prefix this comment by making it crystal clear that I never said this or would say anything like this. I think Chess may have sourced it from an article about Gorilla Warfare on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Since I’m no fan of the stomach-churning and ruthless harassment that takes place on that site, I’m not about to link to it from here.
[12:57pm]Chess:wllm: What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have ov er 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never
[12:58pm]wllm:Guess you just kick a problem away when you don’t like what’s being said, too.
[12:58pm]Chess:slakr: we need to cut a promo on him
[12:58pm]wllm:I read that on GW’s ED page.
[12:58pm]wllm:Any idea why I know what’s on her page?
[12:58pm]wllm:I’ll tell you.
[12:59pm]Chess:it’s a public webpage
[12:59pm]denza242:slakr: are you by chance
[12:59pm]Chess:oh em gee
[12:59pm]wllm:Cause I had the really bad one taken down.
[12:59pm]denza242:and correct me if i’m wrong
[12:59pm]denza242:slakr: slacker on wikipediocracy
[12:59pm]wllm:Cause I didn’t like how it clearly harrassed her.
[12:59pm]Chess:WELCOME TO THE #WIKIMEDIA-SOCIAL SUUPER SLAAM
[12:59pm]wllm:And I felt GW was being attacked.
[1:00pm]wllm:I knew someone who could do it, and I asked for that favor.
[1:00pm]wllm:Was I thanked?
[1:00pm]wllm:Not by a long shot.
[1:00pm]RD joined the chat room.
[1:00pm]wllm:But I didn’t ask for the favor to be undone. . .
[1:01pm]denza242:Chess: you summoned the wrong people
[1:01pm]Barras2 joined the chat room.
[1:01pm]Chess:you came to the wrong place wllm
[1:01pm]wllm:Cause, regardless of whether GW appreciates what I did for her- and she expressed a lot of gratitude privately- it’s the right thing to do to stop harrassment.
[1:01pm]Chess:let me cut a promo on him
[1:02pm]wllm:Chess: That’s what it’s like to walk to walk.
[1:02pm]wllm:It takes some courage.
[1:02pm]Chess:because, you see, you might walk the walk
[1:02pm]wllm:I do. . .
[1:02pm]Chess:but after I’m done with you
[1:02pm]Chess:YOU WILL NEVER WALK AGAIN!
[1:02pm]•Chess drops mic
[1:03pm]wllm:Or just trying to be funny again?
To be clear, I don’t and never did believe Chess was making a real threat, here. I think it was just a lame attempt at a joke. It’s hard to tell, s/he’s just not that funny.
[1:03pm]Chess:it’s not a threat
[1:03pm]Chess:ITS A PROMISE
[1:03pm]denza242:Barras2 RD hi
[1:03pm]wllm:Chess, I’d happily meet you in person. Not to fight, to understand that we’re both people.
[1:04pm]wllm:People that want to be treated fairly.
[1:04pm]Chess:wllm: I know that
[1:04pm]wllm:And you treat people unfairly anyways?
[1:04pm]Chess:wllm: to be honest I never agreed with your mute but the ban for public logging is legit
[1:04pm]Chess:wllm: it says right there in the MoTD
[1:04pm]Chess:”No public logging”
[1:04pm]wllm:Would you be willing to walk the walk right now?
[1:05pm]wllm:Will you go in to #wikipedia and #wikipedia-en and tell everyone that you didn’t agree with the mute?
[1:05pm]wllm:And tell them why?
[1:05pm]wllm:Do you have that much courage?
[1:05pm]Chess:I’ll go ahead
[1:05pm]wllm:I can’t check myself, of course.
[1:05pm]Chess:slakr: witness this
[1:05pm]wllm:But if you say you did it, I’ll believe you.
[1:06pm]wllm:If you’re going to put me down again, it’s predictable and frankly pretty cowardly to do in a place where I can’t respond.
[1:06pm]Chess:I did it
[1:06pm]Chess:ask RD or Barras2 if you want
[1:07pm]wllm:Copy it in here?
[1:07pm]•denza242 hides under HelixFossil
[1:07pm]Chess:So I don’t agree with the muting of wllm. I think he should’ve been warned first.
[1:07pm]Chess:that’s the message I sent
[1:08pm]wllm:Did you follow it up with anything or introduce it with anything?
[1:08pm]Chess:denza242: is in #wikipedia if you want verifications
[1:08pm]Chess:not really no
[1:08pm]wllm:Or was that the only thing you said?
[1:08pm]Chess:it was one message
[1:08pm]slakr:actually, like I repeatedly said, #wikimedia-ops was the place to go to discuss bans and mutes–not #wikipedia–but seeing as you ignored that *and* you have no desire to quit logging the channel or rescind threats of doing so, there’s clearly not much more we can do.
[1:08pm]wllm:Then, thank you, Chess.
[1:08pm]wllm:I appreciate you having the courage to do that.
[1:08pm]Chess:still think the ban was justified
[1:09pm]Chess:but anyways I’m going to express my opinion that muting someone for bad etiquette is kind of BS if they weren’t warned about it
[1:09pm]Chess:but you were warned about public logging its right there in the MoTD
[1:10pm]RD:There are rules for a lot of channels that are posted in the topic (it’s not the MOTD).
[1:10pm]RD:Probably including the one(s) you were banned in
[1:10pm]wllm:No, I broke the rules.
[1:11pm]wllm:And I knew the consequences.
[1:11pm]wllm:Against the rule? Not at all.
[1:11pm]wllm:That is, banning me.
[1:11pm]wllm:I broke the rule.
. . .and I just keep on truckin’. . .
[1:11pm]wllm:It’s just that I’d like to change the rule.
[1:12pm]wllm:And I’d like to change the behavior in those channels.
[1:12pm]slakr:…a little too eagerly, it would seem
[1:12pm]wllm:Maybe others do, but I’m not concerned with the screwing around or whatever.
[1:12pm]Chess:I don’t really think he did break a rule in constantly talking about the gender gap and making people uncomfortable
Hold the phone! That is a very interesting comment that I somehow missed the first time round:
“talking about the gender gap and making people uncomfortable”
What is there to be uncomfortable about? I wasn’t actually talking about the gender gap; I was asking whether and where it had been measured since 2011. But beyond that, the gender gap is a well recognized and publicized issue that the Wikipedia has been facing for years – and now I’m just writing stuff so I have more words that I can link to all the articles about it. Believe me, I could easily go on. . .
In short, the gender gap is a fact. And how ironic is that? Apparently facts can make some Wikipedians uncomfortable.
[1:12pm]RD:WHen your ban expires, fresh start
[1:13pm]RD:But all this chat surely isn’t helping
If by “isn’t helping,” you mean “isn’t helping you to make the Wikipedia community look like a bunch of intolerant children,” then, no, you’re right, it’s not helping at all.
[1:13pm]wllm:But I’ve very concerned with the treatment of people who just want to be part of the conversation.
[1:13pm]wllm:Are you going to kick me from this channel, too?
[1:13pm]Chess:yeah but you weren’t really PART of a conversation
[1:13pm]wllm:No, Chess, I was.
[1:13pm]Chess:at the time, IIRC, you were just copy and pasting statistics into chT
Actually, no. I was answering whether the Wikimedia Foundation had delivered on targets for 2015 that were set in a 5-year strategic plan back in 2009-2011: a “vast undertaking” that consumed untold (Or told, maybe? Link, anyone?) amounts of time and money to come up with 5 strategic priorities and those 5 targets I’ve already mentioned. Given the investment made, one would think it’s worth checking in on how the WMF did. As it turns out, not very well.
[1:14pm]wllm:And I’ve been in there long enough to see others go on for much longer with much more comments with no responding.
[1:14pm]wllm:So, yeah. It’s hard to justify that I somehow broke implicit rules.
[1:14pm]RD:Was there something being talked about before all this started?
[1:14pm]Chess:very true, but at the same time, there was an actual conversation going on
You can check out that “conversation” in my first post. You can decide for yourself whether it is more relevant to Wikimedia than talking about how the WMF is doing on its 5-year plan that is ending in a little over a month.
[1:14pm]slakr:interestingly, this follows the same pattern that occurred on-wiki, and resulted in the same actions: people disrupting things, tenaciously, to advance an agenda
[1:14pm]wllm:And where is the rule that you’re citing for kicking me?
[1:14pm]RD:Something more related to Wikimedians or something relevant
[1:15pm]wllm:No, before that.
[1:15pm]wllm:NOt the ban.
[1:15pm]wllm:The kicking me. Before I pubished anything.
[1:15pm]wllm:Maybe that rule exists. Where is it?
[1:15pm]Chess:the one in the MoTD
[1:15pm]Chess:RD: nothing at all relevant to wikimedia
Sorry, that one’s a bit lost on me. Are you talking about preventative justice?
[1:15pm]Chess:wllm: you threatened
[1:15pm]wllm:Please, where is that rule.
[1:15pm]Chess:ahem I mean *promise*
[1:15pm]RD:The no logging rule?
[1:15pm]wllm:Before I was kicked the first time.
[1:16pm]RD:That’s a network wide policy
[1:16pm]wllm:No, Chess, that was after I was kicked the first time.
[1:16pm]wllm:Please, cite the rule for kicking me.
[1:16pm]Chess:first time you were muted
[1:16pm]wllm:RD: Where is that policy?
[1:16pm]RD:It’s more of a strongly worded guideline
[1:16pm]Chess:Plan or incite actions against Wikipedians, trolls, vandals, Wikipedia critics, or anybody
[1:16pm]wllm:I mean, some link.
[1:16pm]wllm:Where is it?
[1:16pm]RD:The staff of this network leave channels to run themselves
Yes, but unlike most channels, #wikipedia-en and #wikipedia have enjoyed some special treatment on Wikipedia. Maybe it’s time for that treatment to come to an end.
[1:16pm]Chess:Publish logs of the channel
[1:17pm]wllm:No, Chess, *before* I told you that.
[1:17pm]RD:And that ^ is linked in the topic of the channels you were banned in
[1:17pm]slakr:not like I’m going to lawyer on the rules, These limits are largely “common sense”
Whose “common sense”, slakr? What you people were saying here makes no sense whatsoever to me. Frankly, it’s the weakest of weak-sauce rationalizations for treating a person unfairly in censoring him because he was saying something you don’t want others to hear.
[1:17pm]Chess:If somebody appears unwilling to talk to you, it’s best to leave them alone.
[1:17pm]wllm:Chess: Case in point.
[1:18pm]wllm:I wasn’t talking to anyone in particular.
[1:18pm]wllm:I wasn’t addressing anyone with my comments.
[1:18pm]wllm:It was certainly relevant to the channel topic.
[1:18pm]Chess:Wikimedia supports free speech but some statements can be disruptive and are usually inappropriate in Wikimedia IRC channels.
Ah. Here’s where we get to the crux of the matter. Any statement of fact that isn’t flattering to the Wikimedia Foundation or the Wikipedia community is “disruptive” and “usually inappropriate” in Wikimedia IRC channels. Got it. . . but don’t think I’m about to accept it.
[1:18pm]wllm:So, please, *where* is the policy.
[1:18pm]RD:Guys, I think that this discussion is about done
[1:19pm]wllm:About to get kicked again. . .
[1:19pm]RD:These types of discussions are supposed to take place in -ops
[1:19pm]wllm:Where they kicked me, too.
What can I say? I wasn’t allowed to bring up issues with the behavior of ops there. I guess I was “off-topic” on yet another Wikipedia channel.
[1:19pm]RD:If you blew your chance there it does not mean you can just go into other channels and complain
[1:19pm]wllm:You guys need to have the courage to use your words.
[1:19pm]RD:Even though this channel has no posted official guidelines, this discussion surely does not belong and is off topic here
[1:19pm]wllm:Instead of your op commands.
[1:19pm]RD:I just used many words
[1:19pm]RD:Please read them.
[1:19pm]wllm:You are really afraid.
[1:19pm]RD:Do you have any questions?
[1:20pm]wllm:Yes, I asked them above.
[1:20pm]RD:I told you that’s off topic here
[1:20pm]wllm:Why was I silenced, then kicked before I said I’d publish the logs?
[1:20pm]wllm:What’s the topic here
Looks like asking what the topic is here is off-topic, too. . .
[1:20pm]Chess:social stuff wllm
[1:20pm]wllm:Yes, I just asked.
[1:20pm]RD:Not quite sure, but surely not complaining about bans. That’s #wikimedia-ops
[1:20pm]wllm:And what is that?
[1:21pm]wllm:I’m not complaining. . .
[1:21pm]wllm:I’m asking questions.
[1:21pm]Chess:The topic is An unofficial social channel for wikimedians! | Idling: mandatory | Public logging prohibited (think of the trees!) as set forth by bumm13
[1:21pm]wllm:Are you afraid of answering my questions?
[1:21pm]Chess:social in this case
[1:21pm]wllm:Are you afraid?
And that’s when I was kicked by the honorable Barras2. I gotta say his/her timing was excellent. It was very satisfying to go out asking the most important question of all.
So, in this sequel we find out that some facts-Wikipedia’s massive gender gap, for one- aren’t welcome on Wikipedia channels, that Chess may not be as 2 dimensional as s/he first seemed but still struggles to find something to say that is actually funny, and that these op-enabled petty tyrants think that the best way to address the biggest issues facing Wikipedia is to ignore them and mute, kick, and ban anyone who brings them up because they make them “uncomfortable”.
I’ll go out with the only last words fit for such an unoriginal, immature schlock-fest: